Today we speak with Dr. Tony Rousmaniere, a psychologist in private practice in Seattle and a member of the Clinical Faculty at the University of Washington, Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences. Tony provides clinical training and supervision to therapists around the world with an emphasis on using deliberate practice to develop the clinical skills that enhance psychotherapy effectiveness. Supporting this work, his research is focused on improving psychotherapy outcomes.
Tony is the author of the books Deliberate Practice for Psychotherapists: A Guide to Improving Clinical Effectiveness, and Mastering the Inner Skills of Psychotherapy: A Deliberate Practice Manual, and co-editor of books The Cycle of Expertise: Using Deliberate Practice in Supervision, Training, and Independent Practice, and Using Technology for Clinical Supervision: A Practical Handbook.
We dive into the research around psychotherapy outcomes and how data and technology can be integrated into the training and practice of psychotherapy.
1:10 – An outline of the history of psychotherapy outcome research.
6:40 – Reflections on the training of psychotherapists.
10:35 – On the use of objective metrics in psychotherapy to confirm progress.
15:00 – On the evidence for the use of objective metrics in psychotherapy.
18:50 – On ‘deliberate practice’ in psychotherapy.
31:05 – On the evidence supporting ‘deliberate practice’ in psychotherapy.
34:55 – Other ways in which might advance psychotherapy outcomes as a field.
37:30 – Efforts to reduce cases where a client interacts with a therapist only once or twice before leaving therapy.
39:40 – On the implications of outcome measurement for the business and economics of psychotherapy.
45:05 – Advice to therapists just starting out.
To learn more about Tony’s work, especially around deliberate practice for psychotherapists, please visit https://www.dpfortherapists.com/
Tony’s books, including Mastering the Inner Skills of Psychotherapy: A Deliberate Practice Manual, Deliberate Practice for Psychotherapists, The Cycle of Excellence: Training, Supervision, and Deliberate Practice, and Using Technology to Enhance Clinical Supervision can be found here.
The Great Psychotherapy Debate by Bruce Wampold and Zac Imel.
Tony’s article in The Atlantic “What your therapist doesn’t know”.